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Thursday, 25 June 2009 |
A TRUE LEGEND HAS PASSED TODAY IN LOS ANGELES MAY GOD BLESS HIS SOUL
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Wednesday, 24 June 2009 |
 HOT NEWS FROM DAVE RE: BEE Opinion Fatally Flawed Garrad, I appreciate your wanting to explain your very bad decision regarding the cops, last night. Let's see if I can address your assertions, below. Thank you for this opportunity. Dave Dear Dave,
I have not taken the pleasure of emailing you in some time. But I foolishly am doing so now, hopefully to bring some clarity to how we got to where we (the council) are today.
Let me start by saying that while we have unanimously voted for the budget, there are still differences in opinion on how rigid our stance should be in regard to MPOA.
Let me start by addressing one of your ongoing criticisms of the council, giving a pay increase to MPOA in December.
I will use the term “YOU” in regards to the citizenry of Modesto because you seem to want to represent them.
YOU passed binding arbitration in the 90’s. [ Dave] No, I did not pass binding arbitration. The democrat party, the public sector unions - including cops, firefighters, teachers, city & county employees - passed binding arbitration. And I bet you a hot dog that you voted for it. That places the city in a delicate position when bargaining with its associations. The analysis of pay for our general area found that our police are 17% BELOW the middle of the pay range when compared to other agencies.[ Dave] Garrad, I have already made my own analysis of the other agencies pay and benefits. When I did it, I found that Modesto was right in the middle of the game. I do not know who is feeding you this incorrect info (17%), but it is wrong. If you want to refute my findings, just produce the data, my friend, produce the data and let us see.
Do you really thing an arbitration judge would side with the city if we said “tough luck” – NO Raises? An arbitration judge would likely say, you need to be commensurate with the area - figure out how to get there. YOU must realize that binding arbitration makes it very difficult to just dig our heels in and say, “tough.” [ Dave] This is a red herring. YOU voted to raise the cops pay, and promised to pay for it by putting a sales tax increase on this November's ballot.
The association did agreed to delay their first increase to June, both sides knowing that the economy was a mess. Did we (or anyone) know in Sept, Oct how bad it was going to be? All thought that maybe by summer it could be better. As we approved the contract in Dec, we all knew it was going to be difficult to meet.[ Dave] Garrad, you have to be kidding. You are supposed to have an MBA from Berkeley... Even Jim Ridenour knew what was coming; he published his comments in his "Mayor's FY 2008-09 Proposed Budget Message", page i, Section "Budget Message", published July, 2008. This is the FIRST PAGE of the document, and I am confident that you read it, and every other page in that budget. In the FOURTH LINE of that page, the mayor told us that THIS BUDGET - the one we are currently living under - is "over $13 Million (in deficit) for FY 2008-09..." And you ask "Did we (or anyone) know in Sept, Oct how bad it was going to be?" Obviously, Jim did. Were you out that day?
Time passes and we are in a much deeper hole than anyone could have foreseen. [ Dave] Baloney. The County Assessor told you what was going to happen. Arnie told you, the acting city manager told you, and the BEE, for crying out loud, told all of us. Perhaps you and your colleagues were not paying attention????? All of our other employee groups have agreed, either by official vote or tentatively to REDUCE their compensation in some form. We only asked the police groups to do likewise. DELAY their raises, not lose them, not reduce their pay, just delay implementation.[ Dave] Well, the MPOA DID propose furloughs, which, if you did the math, would have saved the city about 6.5% of total pay, which is MORE than the 3% plus 2% pay raise. Did you ever consider that? Especially the fact that we would still have the cops available for patrol? Your solution kills 9 cop positions.
You were the one who viciously attacked the pay level of the police in many emails when they were given their new contract in December. Today you think we are slime because we ask them to delay that contract.[ Dave] Well, I reject your assertion that I "viciously attacked the pay level of the police". I DID comment on the incredibly bad timing of ALL the raises that you and your buddies handed out like candy, precisely when the businesses in Modesto were failing, civilians were losing their jobs and the city's (and county's) revenues were plummeting like an Air Bus in a thunderstorm. I am sure that you would not want to even discuss your passing out the Citizen's tax money to the city's union employees because you were buying their votes, right? Not one of you would mention that Hawn, Keating, Ridenour and even O'Bryant have direct personal and family interests in cops and fire fighters, right? None of you would want to mention the fact that the cops and fire fighters walked the precincts for at least those 4 votes on the council?
Sounds like there may be some hypocrisy there.[ Dave] I think that if the concept of "hypocrisy" is going to be used, you might think about how the council just made a contract with a SACRAMENTO firm to provide SECURITY for city property at a cost of $378,000!!!!! Why is that, Garrad? Don't we have enough cops to provide security for our city? I am a pretty consistent kind of guy, Garrad. I hate to see you vote to waste Citizen's money. I hate to see you vote blindly for things that Citizens know are wrong. I hate to see 150 people address the elected "leaders" and not one of those "leaders" listens. I hate to see a mayor who has only 5 minutes of time for legitimate Citizen issues. I especially hate to see police officers disrespected and maligned by the very people they put in office. YOU gave the raise, and offer no legitimate defense. YOU voted to fire cops, when our city is in the midst of a nasty crime wave. YOU have destroyed the morale of an already damaged police force. So, you do not like my criticism? My gosh, Garrad, what are you thinking? Have a nice night.[ Dave] Actually, I did have a very nice night, last night. We visited with a neighbor who made a fabulous dinner, and we did NOT watch any TV, including the city council meeting. My blood pressure went down, I did not get indigestion, and I slept like a tired kitten.
Garrad Marsh, Council Member City of Modesto 1010 10th Street, Ste.6200 Modesto, CA 95353 209-571-5169
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] Sent: Tue 6/23/2009 3:05 PM To: All My Friends Cc: Adam Ashton; Dan Day; Judy Sly; Mark Vasche; Mike Dunbar; Brad Hawn; Garrad Marsh; Greg Nyhoff; Janice Keating; Jim Ridenour; Kristin Olsen; Will O'Bryant; Dave Lopez Subject: BEE Opinion Fatally Flawed
Friends, I have been very disappointed about the way our city council is treating the front line police union members. the attached contains my thoughts and comments. I would appreciate your thoughts, as well.
Thank you very much, Dave
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Tuesday, 23 June 2009 |
TO: All my friends 23 June 2009 From: Dave Re: The Silliest Council Ever If you read the Modesto BEE, you know about this tawdry mess over police pay raises, etc. Maybe you have been as amazed as I am about the silly things our elected elite have been saying. If I may, let me synthesize what I have read. This is my interpretation of what mayor Ridenour and council people Olsen, Hawn and Marsh have been quoted as saying: “The Modesto police certainly deserve to get a raise in pay, but they certainly do NOT deserve to keep their jobs.” I would ask you to send me a message if you think I am off base here. Let me remind you that Olsen is quoted in today’s BEE as saying, “Clearly nobody wants to reduce the staffing in the Police Department... ...but it is nonsensical to give raises...” My gosh, lady, why then, did you VOTE FOR THE COP’S RAISE JUST 5 MONTHS AGO!!! Am I missing something here? Ridenour says, “I am not laying off cops.” Well, if not him, WHO IS THE MISCREANT WHO IS????? Ridenour is also quoted as saying, “more police officers on the street do not prevent crime.” I wonder which police academy teaches that theory of crime prevention. For crying out loud, the natural corollary to that comment is, “Cops do not prevent crime, so let’s fire them all!!” Again, tell me if you think I am wrong here. I think it was both Hawn and Marsh who told us that they were not smart enough to notice that city revenues were down by 20% or so. Moreover, they could not possibly have known all the way back in December ‘08, that in May ‘09, they would have suffered even worse revenue losses. However, they also say that they simply cannot use any of the city’s $8 Million dollar reserve NOW, because things MIGHT get worse tomorrow. Is that like saving the last 100 loaves of bread for next week when you are starving today? I do not understand these silly people... It just seems to me that these silly elected ones zeroed in on dumpster divers, but ignored the highest auto theft problem in America. They solved the stray shopping cart problem, but ignored the doubling of home invasion robberies. They seem to be able to solve problems that really do not exist, but cannot quite come to the table on issues that really matter. Like public safety; they have eliminated 60 safety positions last year, Created with novaPDF Printer (www.novaPDF.com). Please register to remove this message. and they want to fire 10 more cops, tonight. In addition, they have eliminated two fire stations in the last year. They are perfectly willing to continue to eat free catered meals before every council meeting, and feed staff in the bargain. They will simply not give up their very expensive bottled water, with the city logo (Water, Wealth, Contentment, Health, but not too many cops or firefighters) on them. But, you know that you are the people most likely to suffer the obvious downside of lack of effective policing. You are going to have to be the primary crime preventer in your home. You must not, however, expect your taxes, utility fees, or property taxes to go down. You must feel your fair share of the pain imposed on all of us by foolish elected “leaders” who give the cops a huge jar full of cookies, then lock it up so they cannot actually eat them. Remember, give the cops a raise in December, and fire them in June. What a place to live!? Thanks, Dave Created with
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Submitted by Administrator
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Thursday, 18 June 2009 |
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 YOU PROMISED US A RAISE/PAY UP OR ELSE The bottom line is Modesto can't afford to pay the raise that was given to the Modesto Police Dept. Dave Thomas asserts that this was given to the police because the Mayor and City Council were counting on a sales tax increase being approved by the voters. When you assume such things, it tends to make an ASS out of U and ME they say. My feeling on this is that the police knew damn well that Modesto could not afford to pay this increase, but used their huge political power to get what they wanted. This situation mirrors the sweetheart deals that have been given to our State Correctional Officers. The percentage of Modesto's general fund that goes to pay the Police Dept is very close to the point where Modesto will be forced to file bankruptcy just like Vallejo. I see the Modesto Police as being far too willing to trample on all the other Modesto City Employees in order to get what they want. Every other public employee union has been willing to give up huge concessions in order to minimize layoffs. I see the Police Union as being far too unreasonable in their demands. They want a flat out guarantee of no layoffs, when Modesto does not know how much worse this recession can become. We have come to that point where Wyatt Earp will have to face off with Johnny Ringo at the Oak Grove. "All right Lunger, Let's do it." I say LAY THEM OFF, as many as Modesto needs in order to equal what the other employee groups have been forced to endure. If things get worse in this recession, lay some more off, in every job category. Eventually things will start to get better, and we can build up our reserves to protect Modesto from the next time things head South with the economy. Modesto should learn from it's mistakes, and never again let our overhead get as inflated as it was before the bottom dropped out of everything. ADMINISTRATOR
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Last Updated ( Thursday, 18 June 2009 )
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Submitted by Administrator
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Wednesday, 17 June 2009 |
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 .ExternalClass p.EC_MsoNormal, .ExternalClass li.EC_MsoNormal, .ExternalClass div.EC_MsoNormal {margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:14.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';font-weight:bold;} .ExternalClass a:link, .ExternalClass span.EC_MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} .ExternalClass a:visited, .ExternalClass span.EC_MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;} .ExternalClass span.EC_EmailStyle17 {font-family:Tahoma;font-variant:normal !important;color:windowtext;text-transform:none;letter-spacing:0pt;font-weight:bold;text-decoration:none none;vertical-align:baseline;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in;} .ExternalClass div.EC_Section1 {page:Section1;} Good afternoon. You all know about the stupid fight between the city council and the police union. Unfortunately, the reason behind the fight is such a secret, no one, but me, is willing to discuss it. Make no mistake though, they all know what that secret is; the union, the council, the city manager, and the BEE all know. Do you remember the fact that the council decided to put a sales tax increase on this November’s ballot? That’s right. The police chief and the mayor both published the absolutely critical crisis in crime the Citizens of Modesto are suffering under. The only solution they could possibly choose was to raise your sales tax by one-half cent, and all the money ($16 Million dollars) would go to cops and firefighters. But, because it is a sales tax, they had to let us vote on it. The council discussed it in 2008, and the mayor published it in the 2008-09 fiscal year’s budget. It was a done deal. They knew that the MPOA union’s contract was coming up in late 2008, and they planned to give them a really nice raise. So, in December 2008, they gave an 11.2% raise, which would become effective in July of 2009. Then, they would be able to black mail the Citizens by crying about the fiscal sky falling, and we would have to vote for the sales tax increase in November, 2009. Well, in the meantime, Measure S got killed by the Citizens. Then, Arnold and “moderate” republicans voted in a huge tax increase – State sales tax, gas tax, and income tax all got increased. AND, the further tax increases got killed by the Citizens in May, 2009. So, the mayor’s sales tax increase did not make it to the 2009-10 budget, and the money the council gave in cop raises vanished! Thus, now the cops and the mayor are in a vast pickle. The union was promised a pay hike, and a tax to pay for it. The mayor is a cop. At least 3 other council men and women have direct family ties to the police and fire departments. Of course the union could trust the council for the pay raise. But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! The council got cold feet and ran away!!! So, now you can understand what is really going on. And the amazing thing is that the mayor and council will not tell you the facts. Moreover, the cops think the mayor betrayed them. And, the mayor/council think the cops betrayed THEM!! So, the mayor is now so entrenched in what looks like vengeance to me, and is retaliating against the cops. He has published his reasons to fire 8, then 12 and now 14 cops. After all, we are just out of money. I believe they are also out of truth, and they are out of smart. The problem is, WE THE CITIAENS WILL LOSE. Maybe 14 cops will lose their jobs. That is sad, and stupid in the bargain. It is US, the CITIZENS who will lose even more street cops, crime will continue to go up, we have a stand-in chief, and we are guaranteed fewer cops. Whether they get fired, or just take 12 days off, we get less policing. And the fault lies totally with the mayor and the council. Thanks for reading, Dave
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